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Youth Group Information


 

DUG's Youth Group Coordinator is Ken Bonenberger -    

Caving: A Policy Statement Prepared By The NSS and Boy Scouts of America

Cave Exploring by Youth Groups 
An article from the NSS

Caving - General Policy
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Download The Introduction To Safe Caving Presentation
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The Boy Scouts of America

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Venture Award - Ranger Award Electives - Cave Exploring

 

The Girl Scouts of the USA

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Caving is addressed in SAFETY AND RISK MANAGEMENT IN GIRL SCOUTING pp. 75-76. Several other "high adventure" activities are also covered there.

Caving is considered high adventure because it requires specialized equipment, skills and training. Caving requires council approval (Request for Council Approval form) and special permission from a parent or guardian. (Check off on permission form that activity is High Risk).

DUG's Assumption of Risk and Liability Waiver

So Your Youth Group Wants To Go Caving?

The Do's and Don'ts on how to find a good cave guide.

The Scenario: You just had a meeting with your youth group. The kids learned about wild caving from a TV program or a video at school. They ask you to find a way for the group to go wild caving. You think it is a great idea too and accept the responsibility for organizing a wild cave trip. You are enthusiastic and optimistic and don't want to disappoint the kids. Your next step is to find a suitable cave to visit and an experienced cave trip leader. Using the internet, you find there is a local caving organization (grotto) in your area. Bingo! You send an email to the grotto's youth group coordinator telling them the specifics of your trip. You sit back and wait for a speedy reply with the name of a good cave location and the name of someone willing to take your group caving. However, the reply doesn't come. You wonder why. You told the coordinator the date you wanted to go caving, the number of kids, that some people in your group have caving experience, that this is a great opportunity for the grotto to teach wild caving properly, and to get some new members. The grotto's youth group coordinator said he forwarded your note to the whole grotto and yet nobody replied. What went wrong?

Unfortunately this is a common outcome to your situation. Cavers are real people and lead real lives just like you. Their free weekends are scarce just like yours. They are concerned that a group of kids could damage a cave or mess up their good relationship with the cave owner. They are concerned about the legal liability of taking kids into a cave. They know the number of kids you will show up with is more than the number they are willing to safely take into a cave. They know that your group, despite being told the proper equipment to bring, will show up with unsuitable cave gear. They know that you have already promised your group a specific caving date and that you aren't flexible. They know that taking your group caving will cost them money for gas, food and lodging. They know that one month after taking your kids caving that all of the kids will forget the name of the cave they visited and and the name of their cave trip leader. They know that to safely lead your group in a cave they will need to find one or two experienced fellow cavers to serve as co-leaders. You are asking for a lot.

What you can do to improve your chances of finding a cave trip leader:

  • Limit the group size. A good number, including youth group leaders, is 12. Nothing scares off a potential cave trip leader more than a large group. Stick to this limit. Do not show up with more than the agreed upon number. I set a limit of 12 for a boy scout troop once and they showed up with 26 people. Needless to say they didn't go caving that day.
  • Plan ahead. It is tough to get a cave leader on short notice. You should plan at least two months ahead. It is not uncommon to plan six months ahead. I've had youth leaders ask me to take their group caving on five days notice.
  • Be flexible with your dates. This goes with planning ahead. The more flexible you are the better chance you have of getting a cave trip leader. Let the cave trip leader pick the date that is best with him or her. One group I took planned their trip seven months in advance. This gave me plenty of time to find a good weekend and to find co-leaders for the trip.
  • Get signed liability waivers from each participant or each participant's parent or guardian. Tell your cave trip leader that you will be personally responsible for getting this done. No wavier - no cave trip. Don't give the cave trip leader the standard line that our group has a million dollar insurance policy. We know your insurance policy does not cover us. Can your group go canoeing or horseback riding without signing a liability wavier?
  • Show up with the correct caving gear. Ask your cave trip leader what gear is necessary for the cave you are visiting. Ask the cave trip leader if you can rent some of the necessary gear. If the cave trip leader supplies the gear then they know it is the correct gear. Make sure every kid has the required gear. No exceptions. Nothing starts a cave trip out on the wrong foot more than improper gear. Safety is the number one concern of the cave trip leader and improper equipment compromises safety. I've had kids show up wearing tennis shoes when I explicitly required that each person wear sturdy boots. The youth leader just said that is what their parents sent them on the trip with.
  • Offer expense reimbursement. Tell the cave trip leaders that you will reimburse them for all or part of their expenses. Many cavers will decline this. Others will gladly accept. Many cavers drive SUVs and it takes a lot of gasoline to drive to cave country and back. Cavers have a lot of money tied up in cave gear. They will also undoubtedly lose or give away batteries, kneepads or a flashlight during your trip. Would you expect a horse stable or a canoe livery to offer their services for free? Why should a caver spend his or her money to take your group caving?
  • Attend a grotto meeting. Show up at the next meeting of your local grotto. You are welcome to attend. Ask the chairman if you can speak for two minutes during the meeting.  Ask the cavers for help. Let them know you are sincere. A face-to-face request is much more effective than a faceless email.

Does this sound like too much trouble? Then consider visiting a commercial cave like Mammoth Cave National Park, Carter Caves State Park or Wyandotte Caverns.

Written by: Andy Niekamp - Instructor of Basic Caving. Eagle Scout.

This article represents the opinions of its author. It does not necessarily represent the opinions or policies of other cavers, the Dayton Underground Grotto, other grottos or the National Speleological Society.

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